I recently received an interesting letter from a friend. I'm grateful to have his permission to share the exchange with you.
Hey Phaed,
I've been playing a lot of Go on my phone recently, and I was wondering about a few things.
Do good Go players tend to become generally capable in the same way that good Chess players become generally capable? Like, Peter Thiel or Tyler Cowen or someone.
What does playing Go feel like to you? Like someone that I talked to about a grappling martial art says that it mostly feels like various body parts have associated amounts of tension, and that wrestling feels like doing things with the body parts to release tension in a way that puts them in a more advantageous position. Is Go kinesthetic? Does it feel like moving?
Thanks,
Apollo
Hey 'pol,
Do you mind if I post this entire exchange to Letters?
Also, let's play a game sometime! I'd also be thrilled to either give or receive a lesson as appropriate. :)
Do good Go players tend to become generally capable in the same way that good Chess players become generally capable? Like, Peter Thiel or Tyler Cowen or someone.
Hmm. Interesting question.
For starters, I'm not convinced that good chess players become more generally capable to a degree higher than other tasks, like, say, managing a fast food chain. Higher correlation, but not sure that it's the cause.
That's important because everything I say about go in this regard has the same caveat. That said, I've never found an activity that better stimulates the entire range of strategic concepts than go.
If I had a religion, Go would be at the center of it; I firmly believe that to become a great Go player, you must know yourself, your biases and tendencies, your instincts and habits. It can also be an incredibly frustrating game. One of the great lessons that Go has to teach is humility; the complexity of the game staggers the human mind. Seriously. If you try to grasp it, it will overpower and defeat you. All you can do is find ways of coping with the complexity, and those ways that the human mind has to cope with this complexity make up the study of tthe game of Go.
So, if we're buying the hypothesis that game playing is an excellent way to grow these capabilities, and not just experience and exercise them, then yes, I think Go would be in the very highest level of exercises like this, alongside some kind of poker, music, martial art, and yoga/meditation.
I think chess exercises similar abilities, but with more of an emphasis on studying precedent and less of an emphasis on creativity and dynamic strategy. If I wanted to study careful application of improvisation to precedent, I would study warfare or football.
What does playing Go feel like to you? Like someone that I talked to about a grappling martial art says that it mostly feels like various body parts have associated amounts of tension, and that wrestling feels like doing things with the body parts to release tension in a way that puts them in a more advantageous position. Is Go kinesthetic? Does it feel like moving?
The primary sense is definitely visual. Experienced go players actually get very annoyed with visual irregularities, like oddly shaped or sized stones. The board even has a defined square length-width, which is not the same, so that when looked at at an angle they appear mostly the same.
I think this matters so much because so much of the "logic" of the game lives in highly developed visual pattern recognition.
As for metaphors, the three I use most often are warfare, music, and conversation/debate/negotiation. It very much feels like those things.
Warfare is probably the best, because it's a constant blend of tactical ability to execute, high level tradeoffs in different "theaters", understanding your chances of success in a given theater and the impact that either success or failure (actually, generally dozens of potential outcomes) will have on the global situation, deciding in which theaters you need to be aggressive or dedicate some resources to shore up defenses or mitigate a potential defeat.
It feels like music in that it is a very instinctual skill. It's hard to describe in words why you chose a move in the same way that it's hard for a musician to explain why he chose to play a given note at a given time.
It's like a negotiation because, in many ways, the most important thing is not the underlying facts, but rather how well you can steer the conversation and the perception of events to the places that benefit you. In go, one of the core strategy concepts is called sente, and has to do with whether you are reacting to your opponents moves, or he is reacting to you.
Does it feel like moving? There are some comparisons to martial arts in particular. But I think not particularly, no. It's actually very easy to draw comparisons to go with lots of things, because it is an organic system that arises from very simple rules. But one of the limitations is its turn based, linear nature, which prevents it from encapsulating strategies for dealing with real time decision making.
But the tension analogy is very good for go. Particularly the idea that, you're trying to both relieve tension in a particular area, but also have the outcome be a globally more advantageous position, yes.
Some of my favorite go concepts are also martial arts terms.
Kiai and Aiki are related japanese words.
In go, kiai translates to "fighting spirit," and refers to the "fuck you" spirit. There's a saying in martial arts that goes something like, don't block, block-and-attack. Don't punch, punch-and-attack. Or some similar thing. (Let's attribute it to Bruce Lee. Wouldn't be surprised) This displays kiai. It shares etymology with most of the "shouts" associated with an attack for lots of asian martial arts. ("kiai", "kiyup", etc)
In go, this saying means, always be trying to thwart your opponents plans. When facing two otherwise equal moves, make the one you think your opponent expects least.
Aiki, as in aikido, is the spirit of accepting your opponents actions, and finding ways to turn them to your own advantage. In go, it means, instead of having a strategy in mind and blindly following it, to a certain degree, you need to let your opponent do what he is intent on doing, and find ways to turn the outcome he wants to your advantage.
These two concepts are entirely contradictory, but work together, as the yin and yang of your reactions to your opponents intentions.
Yours,
Phaed
Hey Phaed,
Huh, that's interesting. I should definitely reflect more on the interaction of kiai and aiki.
I don't mind at all if you put this up on letterstoafriend.
The reason that I'm wondering about the moving aspect of it is an intuition that something like motor processing is the main way that humans actually do things in the world, more than other sensory modalities.
I've certainly found that thinking about Go is interesting, and it's revealed a lot of my patterns of behavior to myself. Like, my weakness of trying to connect things that I'm doing in a way that limits my options, or my strength of continuing to play even when things look decided in a way that disrupts the computer player and fairly consistently leads to them losing a group in the endgame.
In Awesomeness,
Apollo
Hey 'pol,
I'm a big believer that we think with our senses. I also believe you can find clues in language to which sensory intelligence is being used.
Do you see what I mean? Does that feel true to you? It rings true to me.
Motor intelligence... I'm intrigued. I imagine that could be a whole set of intelligence distinct from simple touch. There are definitely major neural structures dedicated to coordinating motion. I wonder if they have been co-opted, the way I believe language derived structures largely enable our logic and math, and our spatial reasoning centers have developed to support the abstract interaction of complex ideas like strategy.
(to oversimplify)
Yours,
Phaedrus
Hey Phaed,
I think that we almost certainly think using different sensory modalities, and that this is ridiculously important relative to the amount that it's being talked about by people in general.
Yeah. I think motor processing is probably more closely linked with spatial reasoning than it is say, verbal intelligence. My intuition says that anything that involves an adaptive response -- like pushing, noticing resitance, and changing how much you push back is more like motor processing than anything else. Planning actions, doing search trees, etc.
Go with me,
Apollo
A fascinating exchange. Lots of interesting ideas to explore further. Thanks Apollo, and all my friends who keep the life of my mind rich with new ideas to explore.
Yours,
Phaedrus